A 100% free Online Dating service for Tennessee singles

Fallingman...a night at a pub...we would likely buy each other a pint and throw darts....and not at each other.

Follow this. AlQeada post 9/11 had spread its members out across the Islam world. We could not invade them all or even try for extraidtion of many that we did not even have identity on. That was the situation of the intell we got out Afghanistan from bin Laden camps.

So? If you accept that as a honest situation. Give me a alternative option to bring these into a way that they can be compromised and detained?

Fallingman you are smart man. Had many years to figure one out.
What should we have done post 9/11 to Iraq?

Criticising the choice of leaders, unless you have a better option to give them.....means you are only second guessing them.

Understand....today......we have 69,000 foreign fighters in Iraq detained. If anyone wants to do a survey...I bet alot of them were these AlQeada that spread from Afghanistan after 9/11.

Tell me how you would improve that Fallingman?

We have not had a major attack on US soil since 9/11.

Tell me how your plan improves on that?

Iraq has a democratic gov't and is making oil for the world....and not sending its funds into the pockets of Sadam.

Tell me how your plan improves on that?

Please address those 3 points in your plan.

No, it was not okay at all. It should have been a collaboration through coalition. Bush used false propaganda to get into Iraq.
War solves nothing. That is my stance. Although WWII was a special case. Otherwise, I'm for dimplomcay and sitting down with the enemies and get some ideas out there.
Tom, I am not a Democrat...btw.

Stress....why did GWB go to the UN in the pre war build up? He went to get support for the war. Europe, Islamic countries, and much of the
rest of the world.....with the exception of 4.....would not join in it. Eventually 32 did....but only after the main combat was over with.

I don't understand your point? I've been to no less than 7 EU countries and back in America basically every year...so no stamps needed since I use my Swedish passport to travel in Europe.

Point is that bin Laden in the 6 years since our last contact with him.
Could be almost anyplace. We don't know if he is in Pakistan. The best that the intell will say.....is we 'think' he is there. We have no evidence to his location. Heating up Pakistan for bin Laden, which is Obama's
position......can back fire......big time.

No, we don't have any facts on that claim Tom, unless you take the 9/11 commission report at face value. Ideology would have kept Iraq and al Qaeda from working together. Hussein viewed Bin Laden as a rival for supremacy in the middle east according to the Muslim world.

I think McCain has worse connections in my book as well! After all, McCain helped Bush's campaign in 2000.

And more from Skybow's link:

"This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back—I’ve written a book about McCain. I had a dozen researchers go through him. I didn’t even put this in the book. Now, that’s not John McCain. I don’t think he is that. But, but, you know, the problem is that a lot of people know John McCain’s record better than Governor Palin, and he does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face."

Anybody have any views on McCains health plan as well as Obama's health plan.

I'm in favor of Obama's. I don't like McCain's tone of deregulating the insurance industry and give families a tax break to pay for care.

Obama said he would reduce premiums for most people by "as much as $2,500 per family." Also he said he would save money in the health care system by holding drug and insurance companies "accountable for the prices they charge and the harm they cause." He also said he would outlaw "insurance company discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions."

"The time has come to solve this problem, to cut health care costs for families and businesses, and provide affordable, accessible health insurance for every American," Obama said.

I like his approach.

No, it was not okay at all. It should have been a collaboration through coalition. Bush used false propaganda to get into Iraq.
War solves nothing. That is my stance. Although WWII was a special case. Otherwise, I'm for dimplomcay and sitting down with the enemies and get some ideas out there.
Tom, I am not a Democrat...btw.

I don't understand your point? I've been to no less than 7 EU countries and back in America basically every year...so no stamps needed since I use my Swedish passport to travel in Europe.

No, we don't have any facts on that claim Tom, unless you take the 9/11 commission report at face value. Ideology would have kept Iraq and al Qaeda from working together. Hussein viewed Bin Laden as a rival for supremacy in the middle east according to the Muslim world.

This is simply a variation on the "ends justify the means"

I don't have a plan. I don't think the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. In any event I don't believe your 69,000 figure. Iraq will have a democratic government when the country is no longer occupied. Until then they are a client government. As for Iraq making oil for the world....we shall see. But I would have thought they might like to make oil for Iraq.....if they were let.

I agreed with the attack on Afghanistan and think if it had been concentrated upon things might be better for the US and the world now.

'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites <famous quote "from a uniter, no less"

What's up Kansan
Kansan, (A) you are gonna have to strengthen your argument. I'm not buying it. Drawing parallels between Lincoln and Bush is just a way to ignore the horrible atrocities that the Bush administration and their connections have committed. Today shows it and tomorrow will only continue to confirm it. (B)How on earth can GW Bush ever be vindicated in the future? Where can you even fathom to make a solid argument? You are unqualified to judge? As voters and citizens of the United States of America, I think we are sure as hell qualified to judge his actions. That's our job for sustaining our Democracy...

SF,

Please, go back and look at the what I'm talking about from the perspective of the times and THEN tell me I need to "strengthen my argument."

(B) The same exact same thing could have been - indeed, probably was - said about Mr. Lincoln. And before you tell me that the Civil War was (ultimately) justified or that THIS war is UN-justified, again, please go back and look at things from the perspective of the day.

Do I agree with this war? Not necessarily, but, again, I don't have all the facts. No one does. And, again, I could speculate 'til the cows come home and, (again), it would be worth exactly the same as a cup of coffee at the Corner Market minus, of course, 75 cents.

Okay Kansan, thanks for the reply and I can respect your viewpoint.

Your last post absolutely strengthened your argument from a vantage point of speculation and perspective. However,
the world was a different place during the Civil War as opposed to today. There are different things at stake, especially on a global level. So in my honest assessment, I really don't see any benefit of comparing 1865 to 2007. Those two wars are not even in the same ballpark. The whole core of this issue is justification. Of course using history as our guide can prove to be essential in order to see the big picture. I just think drawing parallels from the Civil War to the current war really does not put things in a tidy nutshell.

I can add in my 2 kronors and draw parallels from other imperialistic wars or endeavors to put things in the sexy clear. But I won't. I might be called anti America

Okay, I give up :waving whit flag: You guys are correct in everything you say. I will no longer oppose your viewpoints. I can't take on a certain demographic from the old school. I was born in 73 in California, and you people were born before 1970 and not in California. Too bad your demographic will be overwhelmed on election day

Okay Kansan, thanks for the reply and I can respect your viewpoint.

Your last post absolutely strengthened your argument from a vantage point of speculation and perspective. However,
the world was a different place during the Civil War as opposed to today. There are different things at stake, especially on a global level. So in my honest assessment, I really don't see any benefit of comparing 1865 to 2007. Those two wars are not even in the same ballpark. The whole core of this issue is justification. Of course using history as our guide can prove to be essential in order to see the big picture. I just think drawing parallels from the Civil War to the current war really does not put things in a tidy nutshell.

I can add in my 2 kronors and draw parallels from other imperialistic wars or endeavors to put things in the sexy clear. But I won't. I might be called anti America

Okay, I give up :waving whit flag: You guys are correct in everything you say. I will no longer oppose your viewpoints. I can't take on a certain demographic from the old school. I was born in 73 in California, and you people were born before 1970 and not in California. Too bad your demographic will be overwhelmed on election day

Same as Hitler!
Made Common Cause with the Communists,with the tacit Approval of Stalin.
Sentiment of both was,Stamp out what little of Democracy and Freedom is left,fight one another later!
Except that the Communists were a bit late to catch onto Hitler's Double-Play,ie,Hitler was faster on the Draw.

That may be the problem. Educated in the California government indoctination system: public school

Ha! I went to a private school Indydude.....

And I'm a proud Californian. A different America than Hoosierville....lol

Hey Conrad

Is there anything else you wanna add to that I'm not sure I'm following you. Can you put that in dummy terms...I'm not seeing connections or in all honestly, your post flew over my head. What do you mean by "same as Hitler"? You can be honest, I have thick skin and don't take things personally....